Mopar, Pony, Muscle...

[Ricky426]

Ottima citazione, condivido!

[baraz]

il che, però, non preclude il fatto che le pony possano rientrare nella categoria delle muscle cars, infatti in Muscle cars performance files, Hot Rod Magazine, include sia la GT350 che la GT500:

 

http://books.google.it/books?id=_uEw7ogYTUgC&printsec=frontcover&hl=it#v=twopage&q&f=false

[baraz]

[ESA]

 

Allora!

1968 Dodge Dart GTS: è abbastanza muscolosa per i vostri gusti anche s'è cugina della compattissima Valiant?



 

 

 

 

Urka che pezzo.....

 

 

se la vede Esa gli viene un coccolone....

 

[Adriano S.]

Concordo baraz , poi la parola muscle car come dice Gaines non va vista in modo rigoroso su una determinata tipologia di carrozzeria e dimensione ma bensì come la muscle car era metà anni 60 inizio anni 70 con il pinnacle negli anni 67/68/69/70 ..

[Adriano S.]

Anche perchà poi bisognerebbe indagare chi è stato a definire muscle car mid size intermediarie car with a full size engine? Quando lo fece? per me muscle cars e' stat un era , finiti gli anni 50 delle macchine " art Deco' " , dove la gente veniva giudicata un base alla macchina che guidava ( corvette figlio di papà , ecc ) ; uno stile di vita vero e proprio! Così la gente che ha vissuto in loco e realmente questi anni descrive la cosa...

[Adriano S.]

pony car definiton by wikipedia: in fondo dicono : enough to qualify some of them into muscle class territory; in effetti parlano giustamente di territorio e non di dimensione , territorio delle muscle cars : macchine con motori potenti per tutti i giorno ma con cui andare se si vuole a correre sul drag strip il w.e.


The 1964 Mustang provided the template for the new class of automobiles.[7][8] The term itself "was coined by Dennis Shattuck, who was editor of Car Life magazine" at the time.[9] The term "originates from the equestrian sounding Ford Mustang",[2] and may also refer to the Ford Mustang's logo (a galloping pony).


Although the Mustang was based on the platform of the Falcon, it had a unique body (offered as a hardtop coupà and a convertible) with distinctive, "long hood, short deck" proportions. In basic form it was mechanically mundane, with a 170 cu in (2.8 L) six-cylinder engine coupled to a three-speed manual transmission. It carried an attractive base price of US$2,368 that included bucket seats, carpeting, floor shifter, sport steering wheel, and full wheel covers. The Mustang also had an extensive option list offering a range of V8 engines, Cruise-O-Matic automatic transmission or four-speed manual gearbox, radios, air conditioning, power steering, and other accessories.[10] A V8 Mustang with all available options would cost about 60% more than a basic model with a six-cylinder engine, which made it an extremely profitable model for Ford.[11]


The requirements for these two-door, four passenger capacity models were therefore set:[12][13]


Stylish and sporty styling that included "long hoods, short decks, and open mouths"

Assembled from "off-the-shelf" mass production components

Affordable base price (under $2,500 in 1965 dollar value)

Wide range of options to individualize each car

Youth-oriented marketing and advertising.

While most of the pony cars offered more powerful engines and performance packages, enough to qualify some into muscle car territory, a substantial number were sold with six-cylinder engines or ordinary V8s.[14] For the most part, the high-performance models saw limited sales and were largely limited to drag racing, road racing, or racing homologation purposes.

[bronzo]

No eh...citare wikipedia proprio non mi pare il caso....à tra le più grandi fonti di vaccate in assoluto! :zsarcastic4xx: :zsarcastic4xx: :zsarcastic4xx:

[Adriano S.]

appunto bronzo .. ho fatto apposta .. a me piacerebbe capire quali fonti autorevoli o meno e in quale periodo della storia hanno detto che i muscle cars possono essere solamente mid size intermediate size cars with full size engines .. cosi si puo almeno confutare le prove e avere un dialogo equilibrato ..

[Adriano S.]

http://www.carsdirect.com/car-buying/an-...aintenance

 

http://www.carsdirect.com/car-buying/mus...quirements

 

Muscle Car Definition

The definition of a muscle car is a mid-size model car, with V8 engines, generally produced between 1965 and 1973. Most muscle cars were current mid-size models being produced by car manufacturers, and they added a large V8 engine, special trim, and usually better handling and performance options like suspension, braking, etc. A good example of this is the 1970 Chevrolet Chevelle. This model was designed as a mid-size family vehicle and the base model was powered by a lonely ‘ol 4 cylinder engine, or you could team it up with the biggest muscle car engine of it’s time, the 454.

The muscle car era coincided with the first baby boom generation. With the end of World War II, soldiers came home and there were babies everywhere! Cars during WWII and after, were pretty conservative in their styling and speed. Chop Shops and performance shops sprung up after the war, and the hot rod was born. The problem with this was it cost a lot of money, and took a lot of work to modify a car. It was not economical for most.

This is what made the muscle car successful with the new baby boomers – price. Factory performance was a lot cheaper, but the current models lacked power and speed. That all changed in 1964 with the Pontiac Tempest. The GTO package on this model added a 389 V8 engine, along with a floor-shifted transmission, special trim and GTO badges. GM Corporate policy at this time did not allow anything other than a full size model to have anything larger than a 330 cid engine. The engineers at Pontiac worked around this by offering the 389 cid engine as an option, instead of creating a new model for it. Pontiac planned on selling 5,000 GTO’s that first year; 32,450 were eventually sold that first year, starting the American muscle car race.

The Mustang debuted in 1965, and within it’s 2 first years sold nearly 1.5 million models. In specific technical terms, the Mustang is considered a pony car. A pony car is a small bodied vehicle, with large sized engines. It’s hard to argue that a Boss 429 couldn’t compete with a muscle car, so they are generally lumped together in the same category.

Each year, muscle cars kept on getting bigger and heavier, due to added options. This lead to a new breed of stripped-down muscle cars, such as the Plymouth Road Runner and Dodge Super Bee. These were designed to have a lower cost than the other models, without the extra options and plush interior. They were designed to be cheap and fast, and you could go race on the same day you bought the car without any modifications – and probably win!

 

The muscle car era in the United States occurred roughly from 1964 to 1972. No one person is responsible for developing factory production cars powered by massive performance V-8 engines that led to the creation of the muscle car, but Pontiac chief engineer John DeLorean was an early pioneer. DeLorean and his team produced the high-powered 1964 Pontiac GTO that defined the future of the muscle car. Have a question? Get an answer from a Mechanic now!



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Muscle Car Defined

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  A muscle car is a midsize coupe or hardtop equipped with a large block V-8 engine. It's often confused with a pony car. According to musclecarclub.com, a stock Ford Mustang, for example, is identified as a pony car. But the Mustang Mach 1, GT and Boss models equipped with performance engines are considered muscle cars.
  
   
  
   
  
  Though a short-lived era, the Muscle Car Era is actually responsible for defining an entire generation in America and has given the world some of the most collectible vehicles in history. This era featured both cars and trucks that were built from 1964 through 1972. A product of the Classic Car Era, Muscle Cars developed from the insane consumerism following WW II when the public craved bigger and faster vehicles. Detroit was attempting to halt the invasion of imported vehicles, and as the national highway system was growing, and gasoline was now plentiful, Americans craved more. Detroit finally began placing big blocks V8s on mid-sized chassis in 1963, and gave them names like Camero, Mustang, and Barracuda. All of these vehicles became very popular household names of the Muscle Car Era.
  
   
  
  Some consider the Muscle Car Era to be the ‘greatest period in American automotive history’. At this time period, Detroit contributed to creating the greatest performance machines of all time by placing large engines into small vehicle and pricing them at an affordable price that even the average Joe could afford. Following the motto ‘There is no substitute for cubic inches,’ and There is no replacement for displacement’, true muscle cars were remarkable vehicles. The US market was craving more ‘original vehicles’, and they wanted those with more options and a sportier feel. Young baby boomers were passionate about vehicles that they could order specifically to their taste. This Era was a time when almost ever American Car manufacturer featured a Muscle Car or two for the public.
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
  
  
  
  

 

[Guest]

Quante storie, io guido tutti i giorni la mia stang del 69 e poco mi frega se è' una muscle o no...... A me piace!! !!! Distinguersi per non estinguersi!!!!

[bonjo]

Cioè, 22 pagine per definire le muscle car: è veramente un argomento che vi stà a cuore! Come già qualcuno ha scritto ( e io lo penso da mò): cambiate il nome al Forum :ciappa:

[Adriano S.]

l argomento del thread tra le altre cose e' anche  questo .. ed e una discussione cmq che non riguarda strettamente le macchine , ma riguarda un era  , la storia dell automobilismo e la sua evoluzione.. quindi perche non parlarne .. e dove ci sono voci discordanti .. ci sono di solito anche discussioni costruttive dove tutti ( me in primis ) possono imparare cose nuove .. why not?  nessuno e obbligato di leggere questo thread tanto meno commentarlo igns94:  igns94:  igns94:

[baraz]

leggendo in giro.....

 

 

http://forums.aaca.org/f169/muscle-car-w...96856.html

[nigel68]

"Good question. There's no mention of the term in either the '70 or '73 Motor Trend new car books, 

though "pony car" is used in both, describing Mustang competitors. Barracuda, Challenger, Camaro, 
Firebird, Cougar, and Javelin/AMX. No offense Jim, "muscle car" may have been around for a while, 
but Webster's says it entered the lexicon circa 1968. Strange that pony car isn't in the same dictionary. 
I think you'll find that Chrysler introduced the first Hemis for the 1951 model year. "

 

http://forums.aaca.org/f169/muscle-car-w...96856.html

[Flaviospeed]

 

 

The term is a lot older than many might think. It has its origins with the introduction of OHV engines by Oldsmobile and Cadillac in 1949 when car magazine writers described those cars as having "Plenty of Muscle." Obviously the term stuck, was modified to being "Muscle Car" and became a part of the horsepower race lexicon of the 1950's.

 

Amen. Lo aveva scritto anche Mopar da qualche parte. Ritengo che sia importante sottolineare questa parte.

[Adriano S.]

 

 

 

The term is a lot older than many might think. It has its origins with the introduction of OHV engines by Oldsmobile and Cadillac in 1949 when car magazine writers described those cars as having "Plenty of Muscle." Obviously the term stuck, was modified to being "Muscle Car" and became a part of the horsepower race lexicon of the 1950's.

 

Amen. Lo aveva scritto anche Mopar da qualche parte. Ritengo che sia importante sottolineare questa parte.

 

Concordo assolutamente , la cosa cmq interessante e che , se parli con seniors che hanno vissuto quelli anni , tutti praticamente concordano sul fatto che , piu' che una vera e propria definizione rigida si muscle cars in base a dimensioni ecc , che cmq e stata introdotta sui vocabolari e lexicon in un secondo momento , si parli di muscle cars era , e di macchine con i muscoli , cioe' macchine con motori di grossa cubatura con cui potevi fare delle belle linee nere sulla drag strip ....

[Adriano S.]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbo5DMhjhVQ Trasmissione intera con interview anche a dolorean e collezionisti del calibro di Floyd Garret e Ken Funk.. Verso la fine si parla anche di Mustang

http://books.google.ch/books?id=sgcMVCC_J-0C&pg=PA4&lpg=PA4&dq=david+newhardt+muscle+car+definition&source=bl&ots=7eIpLip6Y3&sig=bkGeQsCXSz3jgN8cY85I1bvRVO0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KZ9HUsSvMYen4gTw54GAAg&ved=0CDoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=david%20newhardt%20muscle%20car%20definition&f=false Spezzone di uno dei tanti libri scritti da David Newhardt , storico, fotografo ed uno dei più grandi conoscitori di muscle cars , ha scritto un altro libbro molto bello : the art of the muscle car

http://www.motorbooks.com/books/The-Art-of-the-Muscle-Car/9780760344217/4483


David Newhardt has earned a reputation as one of todays leading muscle car authors and photographers. He has published numerous books about the exciting performance machines that Detroit and Dearborn produced during the golden age of muscle.


Originally from Chicago, Illinois, David attended Southern Illinois University and graduated with a Batchelor of Arts degree in Professional Photography. After serving 8 years aboard nuclear submarines while in the U.S. Navy, he settled in Southern California.


A passion for automobiles led him to work for scores of magazines including Automobile, AutoWeek, Sports Car International and Motor Trend. While David has authored several books on muscle cars, he has contributed photography to nearly two dozen others. Considered an authority on the muscle car era, David has been interviewed on television documentaries for the History Channel.


A resident of Pasadena, California, he travels the world to photograph the cars he loves as the muscle car renaissance continues.

[Guest]

stiamo discutendo sul sesso degli angeli

[Adriano S.]

no perche sono ermafroditi  :zspecial73: .. cmq a parte gli scherzi .. io qui rinnovo invece la mia visione : trovo questa una  delle discussioni piu interessanti invece perche' ingloba , storia , costumi , stile di vita e macchine tutto in uno ...